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Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. And love your neighbor as yourself.

Would Jesus discriminate? well, he was intolerant when it came to sin. oh, he loves the sinner (gay, lesbian, etc.) but he hates their sin. when i die straight, i know i will enter the kingdom of God. When someone dies who isn’t straight, that of course will be up to God and where that person lives eternally.

God calls homosexuality an abomination.

People who believe it is ok, well until God’s Holy Spirit convicts that person of their sin, they will not change b/c they are natural man, and need to move on to being carnal to spiritual.

I pray for people of different beliefs, but they have to be receptive.

May God bless your readers somehow, someway, in some day!

   jim c. 10.05.08 @ 4:32 pm

taken from: http://www.freejesus.net/views/sin.php

HERE IS HOPING YOU DON’T DISCRIMINATE VS. ME BY NOT POSTING MY COMMENTS - MAY GOD BRING YOU TO YOUR KNEES, AND BRING YOU BACK TO HIM

Homosexuality is a SIN & God Hates Sin
If you are looking, for the right to continue
in that which is clearly called a perversion,
then you have found the wrong site!
Homosexuality is a SIN period!
Not only that but it is unnatural
The same as sex with an animal is unnatural!

The Bible doesn’t speak much of the sin of Homosexuality?
It also doesn’t speak of incest or bestiality much more neither?
Guess you want to make them legal and not a sin also!

What is worse then the sin of Homosexuality?
Teaching people it’s ok to commit the sin of homosexuality.

As it is written,
But whoso shall cause one of these little ones
that believe on me to stumble,
it is profitable for him
that a great millstone
should be hanged about his neck,
and that he should be sunk in the depth of the sea.

The word homosexuality in the dictionairy states
nothing about the person’s age, just same sex!
Anybody who is attracted to the same sex is a Homosexual
or they are a Heterosexual if attracted to opposite sex,
regardless of any age differences.
So a 20 year old man
who molest a 14 year old boy is a Homosexual!

What does Jesus teach in the New Testemant about sin?

From John 8:3-11 paraphrased

And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a man caught in homosexuality
and when they had set him in the midst,
They say unto him, “Master, this man was taken in homosexuality,
in the very act, Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned to death: but what sayest thou?”
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.
But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground,
as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them,
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at him”.
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience,
went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last:
and Jesus was left alone, and the man standing in the midst.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the man,
he said unto him, “Man, where are those thine accusers?
hath no man condemned thee”?
He said, “No man, Lord.”
And Jesus said unto him, “Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more!”

Where does Jesus say to continue in
the sin of Adultry or Homosexuality?????

Where does he say it’s not a sin?

2 Timothy 3:16 all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Three gay men named Sam, Rick, & Joe went to church. The preacher stood up and preached about the sins of fornication, adultery and homosexuality. Sam stood up and started clapping his hands in protest of the sermon. Rick stood up and followed suit with the protest and started clapping his hands also. Joe lowered his head and as a tear dropped to the ground and said “God be merciful to me a sinner!”

Tell me which of the three men went home justified that day?

Tell me which of the three men is doing the work of their father the devil?

Tell me which of the three men is the one who has the blood of Rick on his hands?

If any person who comes to Jesus Christ,
and don’t love Jesus Christ over,
their father,
or their mother,
or their spouse,
or their children,
or their brothers,
or their sisters,
or even their own life,
they are not able to be a followers of Jesus Christ!

The thoughts and intents
of your heart is the same as the sin!
Matthew 5
27. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28. But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit homosexuality:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a man to lust after him
hath committed an abomination with him already in his heart.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit homosexuality:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after
her hath committed an abomination with her already in her heart.

Does God say it’s ok to Lust?
Matthew 4
1. Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
The devil always attacks you when you are the weakest!
Think about it, who does it say the temptor is? It’s the devil!
The Devil is the one putting the actual thoughts into the person’s head in the first place to make them think they are a homosexual!

James 1
14. But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
The temptor here is the devil also, it is the the devil who puts the thought into the man’s head!
The man is then drawn away by the thought which is put into his head which causes him to be enticed to own lust and desires!
The thought that was put into the person’s head is evil, you can stop it there and it is not a sin or lusting!
So since Jesus Stopped it cold by using the Scripture of the Bible he never was enticed to commit sin!

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed which leads to sin. It’s his own Lust that lets him be tempted in the first place but God tells us to abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul and that we should no longer live the rest of our lifes in the flesh to the lusts of it, but to the will of God. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The Truth is if you “lust” then you are disobeying God
because he tells you not to lust!
So you are then “missing the mark” or “sinning”!
Therefore to him
that knoweth to do good,
and doeth it not,
to him it is sin.

PROOF!
QUOTE:: During the years in which I tried to use religion to change my gayness, I always became uncomfortable with any readings or discussions of Jn. 13. In that passage, Jesus stripped down, “girded” Himself with a towel, and washed the feet of His disciples. Then He used that towel to dry their feet, while still wearing that towel as a loincloth (13:5). Think of where that put their feet. After Jesus explained the symbolism of this act, Simon Peter told Jesus to wash his entire body; to my relief, Jesus said only the feet needed it (13:9-10). Soon after Jesus dressed, Simon Peter laid down against His chest while conversing with Him (13:25).

Sometimes we get small thoughts into our heads, when we’re reading the bible or just thinking to ourselves. Thoughts that aren’t right, like lust, or that we COULD take a certain passage of scripture to mean something other than it says, so that it makes those thoughts we’re having ok. This is the work of Satan. What this person has done is listened to those thoughts, and expanded on them. This is very wrong. If it’s not of Christ, it is of Satan, and if it is of Satan than you need to get rid of that thought immediately.

If this person had the Holy Spirit then he would recognize the voice!

Professing Christians?
Joe accepted a temptation from the devil,
then Joe proclaimed “I am a Homosexual”.
Joe then says and beleives
“I have a homosexual orientation”.
For with the heart man believeth unto un-righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made as a homosexual.

or

Bill accepted a temptation from the devil,
then Bill proclaimed “I am an atheist”.
Bill then says and beleives
“There is no God”.
For with the heart man believeth unto un-righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made as an atheist.

Both have to reject the temptation they accepted
before they are saved!

Jesus Christ said you cannot serve 2 masters.
In both of these cases the Devil is the person’s master
and it is the Devil whom he or she serves.
Anybody can say “I am a Christian”
but Jesus Christ says otherwise!

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

You need to publicily denouce your homosexuality!

Same as Rev 13:16-18
The Mark of the Beast!

You Disagree?
As it is written,
For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but after their own lusts
shall they heap to themselves teachers,
having itching ears;

THE COST!

Who knowing the judgment of God,
that they which commit such things
are worthy of death,
not only do the same,
but have pleasure in them that do them!
How can ye escape the damnation of hell?

&
JESUS IS THE ANSWER! ! ! ! !

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   jim c. 10.05.08 @ 4:45 pm

If you were reading the body bag count from 1978 to 1990 by the CDC; when their CDC AIDS gay men death totals read that gay men with partners in “unions” were having at least 6 or more side affairs per year or sometimes into the 20 or 30 sexual affairs per year,
THEN God or Jesus would say, absolutely Yes, He (God or Jesus) would discriminate and not love them.
Gay Multi-Fornication is an absolute self destructive behavior and is part of the gay mans’ behavior. Ask anyone one who worked in the CDC in the 1980 to 1990 eras and they will tell you that gay men had multi-partners even if their partner relationship seemed normal. . Ask any psych doctor. The more fornications by one person (the media lie of gay men being rock solid to one person) the more unstable the psych of that persons’ mind. The Bible isn’t the place to look for answers, it is the psych doctors handbook that reads this, not Jesus or what God would say….

   robert russell 10.15.08 @ 1:47 pm

When you are the Creator and have given laws for your creation to follow then it is not discriminating to expect your creation to follow them. The Bible was given as our guide and when we CHOOSE to walk against the plan God has laid out for us we should not feel discriminated against. God did give us a free will to walk the way we choose but that does not mean we will not have consequences to face.

So….. I guess the answer to the question is… NO, Jesus would not and does not descriminate, but His WORD will never change nor will He change
the consequences to our sin.

I pray on Nov. 4 Florida will vote YES and define marriage as the Word of God does!!!

   Teena Whitten 10.31.08 @ 9:22 pm

1 Cor. 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1:20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people 1 are without excuse. 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts 2 were darkened. 1:22 Although they claimed 3 to be wise, they became fools 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling mortal human beings 4 or birds or four-footed animals 5 or reptiles.

1:24 Therefore God gave them over 6 in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor 7 their bodies among themselves. 8 1:25 They 9 exchanged the truth of God for a lie 10 and worshiped and served the creation 11 rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

1:26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, 12 1:27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women 13 and were inflamed in their passions 14 for one another. Men 15 committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Romans 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, 16 God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. 17 1:29 They are filled 18 with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice. They are rife with 19 envy, murder, strife, deceit, hostility. They are gossips, 1:30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, 1:31 senseless, covenant-breakers, 20 heartless, ruthless. 1:32 Although they fully know 21 God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, 22 they not only do them but also approve of those who practice them. 23

Homosexuality is both a sin and a lie.
Love the sinner Hate the sin.

God is discriminate towards sin.
Sin is punishable by Hell, and the only way to gain eternal life in Heaven with God is to repent and turn away from all sin. Read the bible some time, it might actually do you some good.

Quit living in this world, and live in God’s.

   Victoria 02.15.09 @ 2:28 am

Jim C, you draw a conclusion that I don’t understand. You confuse homosexuality with molestation. More than 95% of people who commit molestation are straight white males.

I am a 41 year old gay Christian. I am made by the same perfect God who made you! I am not a mistake, God does not make them. I am who I am I am what I am by the grace, love and power of God!

My life, love and happiness is absolutely no different than a non-gay persons with the exception that my partner is of the same sex.

In closing Jim, you spend a lot of time making judgments, un-truths, mis-information and lies. I would like to remind you of a few things. A) Is it really your position to judge me? Judge not and ye shall not be judged. B) Although I don’t know you, I know you are not perfect. You have sinned yourself, you are human. Let the one without Sin cast the first stone. And C) You are to love thy neighbor as you would have someone love you. Perhaps you live in a rural area?

I too pray for the healing, peace and love for all who share their life in the name of Christ, OUR savior and LOVING GOD!

   Royal D. Bush 02.27.09 @ 10:58 pm

Homosexuality is a sin, no matter how you look at it. The bible is clear that it is wrong. (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9 Romans 1:26-27) It says how God handed us over to it because of out own sinful desires, and that he did not create us that way. Thank God for grace. Through grace we are saved, not the way we live our life. Obedience comes out of faith. A true Christian will embrace what the Bible says, even if it condemns their lifestyle. A true Christian will (if experiencing homosexual thoughts) will pray that God would deliver them from the thoughts, and they would look away from them, and not give in. Homosexual marriage is taking God’s perfect plan and twisting it to adultery. God hates sin, but loves all his people. Do not think you can change what God has made known, and if you want to follow God you will accept and embrace his word, making yourself huumble. The church should accept homosexuals, and work with them to find change, just as the church should work with people caught up in any sin. No sin is greater than another. God is love.

   Rudy 03.05.09 @ 10:47 pm

I love gay people

   lei ting 04.16.09 @ 2:09 pm

If qe go by the real meaning of discriminate, which is to treat one differently, then yes Jesus would discriminate wouldn’t he? He discriminated against the Pharisees by rebuking them.

I think that in the same way, Jesus would treat those who don’t follow His teachings differently. Of course there is no question that He would love ALL of us but He wouldn’t treat us all the same would He?

We on the other hand shouldn’t discriminate because our basis for discrimination is different and often we use that in aggression. I’m not saying we should tolerate breaches of teaching, but in the same Bible that was given to us it is taught to love.

   Kevin Parcon 04.18.09 @ 10:41 pm

Jesus affirmed a gay couple. Is that so? Quote:-
The Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner. Unquote. Now ladies and gentlemen for the real truth. ‘PAIS’ is an ancient Greek word which means ‘Male love’ But the centurion did NOT use this Greek word at all. The Greek word used in this scripture is:- “PARALUTIKOS” It is used 11 times in the Bible, and it is the ONLY Greek word used to describe ‘Sick with the palsy’ This word ‘PAIS’ does not even mean ’sick’ Whoever it is that said this is nothing more than a liar, a deceiver and a fraud, who has deliberately substituted the PAIS word for the correct PARALUTIKOS word. No doubt to justify the words “Jesus affirmed a gay couple” This is a violation, so now be warned: God will not be mocked. There are several other Greek words to describe different levels of being sick. PAIS is NOT one of them. Someone needs to repent of this sly behaviour.

   John Whittle. 05.21.09 @ 2:30 pm

I came across a banner that had the headline “Jesus said some are born gay,” with this site’s name at the bottom. I am a struggling Christian pansexual trying to figure out exactly what the Bible has to say of homosexuality. So I looked up the passage it listed. Matthew 19:10-12.

I was disappointed to find that the scripture listed says nothing of people being born as homosexuals. When it is speaking of being born with it, it is referring to being born without the desire to marry or being born without the parts or ability to be in a “normal” relationship leading to marriage. I looked up multiple translations, and all support this.

However, I find it to be a great scripture to support the acceptance and choice to marry of the same sex. It states that some choose not to marry because of things done unto them by others and some choose not to for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. But Jesus responds by saying that those that can accept the responsibility and are mature enough to go forth into a marriage and accept the teachings that divorce is adulterous unless brought forth by a cheating partner, should do so.

This would certainly include homosexuals. If you are happy and in love with a member of the same sex, you should most certainly marry.

   Raven 05.26.09 @ 5:49 pm

Royal D. Bush: AMEN! Thank you for making your voice known.

Jim C: Your “paraphrase” from Jn 8:3-11 certainly is more than a simple paraphrase, for it is concerning a woman caught in the act of adultery, NOT a man caught in the act of homosexuality. And you accuse others of twisting the Word of God? I understand if you are quoting 1 Corinthians 6:9 or 1 Timothy 1:9… at least then I would understand how you can use that Scripture to say what you wish that it said. (Believe it or not, we gay Christians have studied the clobber passages in great depth… who would care more for our salvation than us? Therefore, you need to know and understand that we are not throwing ourselves to Satan as you believe. We are seeking a relationship with God, and trying to understand why we were created to love the same gender. And I, for one, am becoming closer to God than ever.

I realize you are trying to “save the gays” by instilling a fear that you believe we should have. However, until you can translate the original Hebrew and Greek texts, and truly perform a thorough exegesis of Scripture, then please don’t spread hate to the rest of God’s family. Jesus called us to love. It’s ok if you don’t believe everything I believe. We gay and lesbian Christians just ask that you love us.

God bless you, Jim.

   mandy 06.23.09 @ 8:32 pm

How come none of you who are homosexuals will face up to God’s truth?

Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9 Romans 1:26-27

Answer for these!

   Benjamin Bronson 06.26.09 @ 12:46 pm

Any real scholarship easily points out how absolutely twisted and lame these attempts are to affirm homosexuality as okay by God.

Let’s start with the classic David and Jonathan.

David was anointed as king over Israel while Saul still sat on the throne. Jonathan was Saul’s son and would have been the rightful heir to the throne had Saul not messed that up. Jonathan, unlike his father Saul was an honorable man. When he striped himself of his princely garb and gave it to David it was a symbol of honor; loyalty to the true heir of the throne. It certainly wasn’t some homoerotic scene that some wish it was. These were men of God; holy warriors with the highest level of esteem and honor. Just because they loved each other deeply does not mean they were homosexual.

Jesus said to love one another to His disciples and that it was by their great love for one another that people would know that they were His. His 12 disciples were all men. Did they break out into an orgy with each other upon hearing Jesus’ commands? ABSOLUTELY NOT! It is brotherly love, holy love, pure, unconditional love… the opposite of sin.

The false teachings of this website are an abomination before God! REPENT!

   Benjamin Bronson 06.26.09 @ 1:01 pm

Ya know, the gay community looks at us Christians as if we hate you, and all we are trying to do is teach you what Jesus expects from all of us, (Christians included). The fact is we dont hate you, if we hated you like you say we do we wouldnt even bother trying to spread the message of the Gospel to you, we wouldnt even think about coming around you. But the fact is, no matter what you think about us, we do love you, just as Christ loves everyone, but when we say to you “repent” or.. “what your doing is a sin”, we dont do it to condemn you, we do it because, as Christ came and made it known to the world what He expects from us, we go out into the world and spread His message. Now for all of you who still think that your living a “Holy Life” heres some Scripture from the KJV Bible from Bible.com Now some of it is one homosexuality and some of it is just letting you know that we dont hate you.We only want to see Jesus Christ reign in you as He does us, trust me, before we were Christians we were lost sheep without a flock, just as every man woman and child is, no matter who they are or what race they are.
John 7:24
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment

1 John 4:20 (Whole Chapter)
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Matthew 6:24 (also Luke 16:13) (Whole Chapter)
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind,as he lieth with a woman,BOTH of them have committed an ABOMINATION; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Also read Romans 1:24-32

more? here ya go
http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=246

One more thing… Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever more. (just incase you believe Jesus changes His mind once in awhile)

Revelation 22:18-19: (for those of you that think you can change the Word of God around a little to make it benefit and justify your sin situation)

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Like I said you all can hate us because you think we condemn you, and ya know sometimes you get these “Holy rollers” who think theyre all perfect, but do you wanna know how you find a REAL Christian, someone who really Loves the Lord? Well they would do something Like im doing, and NO im not giving myself any praise at all, im not giving my self a pat on the back, but out of love Im stepping out into faith, that someone will read this and know that this is the way of the Master, someone who will love you no matter how much hell you give them. I love you all, dont know any one of you, but I know that we all have, or at one point had, a need that only Jesus Christ could fill, and this is your chance, please dont let it pass you by. Like it says, No one can serve two masters, and I pray that someone would choose to serve the real Master, who is Jesus Christ.

With Blessings of love that only Christ Himself could show.

   Mike 06.29.09 @ 6:11 pm

We dont hate the SINNER, but we HATE the SIN, Just as HE does

   Mike 06.29.09 @ 6:20 pm

No sin is acceptable to God. So, no, Jesus does not discriminate. If you are a liar, you will go to Hell. If you are a thief, you will go to Hell. If you are a murderer (see 1 John 3:15), you will go to Hell. If you are an adulterer (see Matthew 5:27-28), you will go to Hell.

Interesting that someone tries to use Matthew 19:10-12 to try to justify homosexual marriage, but Jesus said, at the beginning of the passage, that marriage is defined as one man with one woman, and that man should not break that union, else he fall under the condemnation of God (adultery was a death-worthy sin in Jesus’ day).

“Clobber passages”? Um, if I quoted, “Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord,” would that be clobbering liars, or just telling them the truth? You decide.

“Do you think that [these people] were any worse than [the other sinners around]? I tell you, they were not. But, if you don’t repent, you will perish just as they did.” (Paraphrase Luke 13:3, 5)

   Joshua 06.29.09 @ 8:58 pm

many of the scriptures that state that homosexuality is wrong is in the old testiments, and the epistles… written by a man… Paul.

jesus dismissed the old testiment and many of the teachings, and its hard for me to understand and take as truth something God created and HUMAN interpreted.

i have been to my parish priest a few times and have talked about my own homosexuality with him. he would always question what the context of the scripture was. but he never once said that homosexuality was NOT a sin. he agreed very much that it was.

What we need to do is to stop worring about if its a sin or not. and focus on the loving and caring nature of Jesus. and stop pushing people awayfrom the church by constantly coming down with a heavy fall with the judgmental attack.

may i say that they did not have the word “homosexual” in jesus’ day. homosexual is a term coined in 1886, Richard von Krafft-Ebing used the terms homosexual and heterosexual in his book Psychopathia Sexualis. almost 2000 years after jesus.

so missinterpretation is open to have happened.

   Brady 07.04.09 @ 6:41 pm

The bible clearly states that homosexuality is sin. On this basis, the question of discrimination is irrelevant…

   mg 07.07.09 @ 4:29 am

Jesus said one man and one women we follow Jesus law need know god heaven and eath ok Jesus came into save us gave life us we fellow his law please jesus said follow pick up your cross ask lord into your heart one man and one women

   kim 07.17.09 @ 9:41 pm

As I read many posts of those who interpret the bible themselves, then based on their own interpretation judge others, I wonder if they realize they are judging others. As the good book says, let those without sin cast the first stone…

Check this out: Disbelief does not change the facts. Some people come from a “church” or a “denomination” that proclaims to be Christians AND teaches, believes and preaches their interpretation of the word of God, filtered by their own prejudices.

Galatians 3:28 sums it up quite well… “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

The greatest law in the Bible is the law of Love. When your life-time, play-time and work-time is full of love and centered on God then you are at one with him!

Peace, Love and Joy be with you all…
Royal

   Royal D Bush, Omaha 07.20.09 @ 8:51 am

Go to youtube and watch Mary K Baxter, Bill Weise, and Don Piper’s testimony. God has shown them Heaven and Hell. Read Acts chapter 2 verses 17-21. God said he would show people visions, dreams, prophecies, heaven and hell in the last days. My wife has seen angels on 3 different occasions. I have met a man who has seen Jesus when he called on him during a heart attack. In Mary Baxter’s vision of hell she saw all of the tortures of hell. In hell if you were a murderer you will be thrown with murderers, thieves with thieves and so on. And yes she saw a section for homosexuals. WAKE UP CHRISTIANS!! He is coming soon and is “pouring his spirit out on all flesh” in these “last days” just like he said he would. Please if it is the last thing you do watch all of their testimonies. It is very important. I love all of you gay or not and I don’t wish that any of you end up there. Watch the testimonies, they are very sobering. Hell is a literal burning place in the center of the Earth just as the Bible says.

Yours truly,
Jake
p.s. and the angels my wife saw were about 9 feet tall, 3 feet wide and made out of pure white shimmering light. Praise God Almighty!!

   Jake 08.12.09 @ 8:26 pm

I would invite homosexuals to explore Jesus Christ for themselves - transformation is the work of the Holy Spirit and whatever transformation you may or may not need will be shown to you. Many heterosexuals are in the grip of sexual sin themselves, adultery, fornication, lust, pornography, and continue to practice those things while condemning others’ sins as worse than their own. No one really knows what causes homosexuality, whether it is inborn, developmental, or the results of hormone imbalance in the womb. Jesus is a discerner of hearts…He knows the circumstances of your birth, your life, and your death. Who knows how he will judge that little boy who watched his beloved mother beaten by a drunken father? Jesus seems much more concerned about compassion and love for our God and neighbors than he does about our sexuality. In this sense, many homosexuals far outshine the so-called Christians who care only for those who are like them. Maybe it is of them that he writes the last will be first. Maybe it is of the most judgmental among us that he writes not everyone that says Lord Lord is of my kingdom, but him that does my will. The two greatest commandments are love your neighbor and love your neighbor. Whatever, your sexuality, commit yourself to Christ, his yoke is easy and his burden light. Make Him your confidante and tell him all your hopes, your dreams, your fears, your disappointments. He will give you rest. Come just as you are and he will direct your paths. God Bless you and may His love encompass you.

   brenda 09.01.09 @ 11:57 am

Jesus clearly discriminates between the sheep and the goats. Some will be cast out into outer darkness and others will inherit the kingdom.

The only thing that matters is that WE ARE ALL SINNERS! We are saved by Grace when we BELIEVE the Gospel message.

God does not ask us to earn salvation by keeping the Law… It is received by FAITH. “If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does the Scripture say? ‘Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness’(ROMANS 4:3.”

It’s clear that we are saved by Grace NOT works “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do (Eph 2:8-10).”

Once we receive the gift of salvation we are secure in Christ. “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord(ROMANS Ro 8:38-39).”

Notice that He has good works for us. He intends to change our lives by the power of the Holy Spirit. He intends to be Lord. This comes about as a gradual metamorphosis. The more we seek God and to be like Him the more we are changes into his image.

The biggest problem with today’s Christianity is that we want to accomplish the work of the Holy Spirit in peoples lives. It is NOT our job to change people but it IS our job to teach and encourage love, truth, and holiness.

Is homosexuality a sin?
Is adultery a sin?
Is lying a sin?
Is murder a sin?

Yet God receives each man just as he is (sinful and hopelessly lost) by Grace when he puts his trust in Him. HOWEVER, though God received us just as we are, He will not leave us just as we are!

He will change us…

We should acknowledge our addiction to sin (whatever it may be) and our powerlessness to be rid of it. We should receive His unmerited GRACE… the gift of salvation.

We should allow the Holy Spirit to show us our sin and change our lives. THAT JOB IS TOO BIG FOR ANYONE ELSE TO DO.

IHS
LOUIS

   Louis 09.03.09 @ 2:48 pm

Would Jesus discriminate? Yes! He would. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 5:11 NIV not to associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but lives in sexual sin. With such a man do not even eat. Again, you are deceiving yourselves. Ask yourself: If I dropped dead right now would I go to heaven? If you do not have complete assurance of that, you better examine what you really balieve, and if Christ is really in your life or if you only know about Him but don’t really KNOW Him. Remember those who in the last day will say; But Lord we did all these things for you, but He will say; Depart from me for I never knew you. No more chances after that.

   Steve Nichols 09.09.09 @ 9:37 am

I beg to differ with the \Naomi loved Ruth\ billboard. In reality you know very well that BOAZ loved Ruth as Adam love Eve. Noami only loved Ruth as a beloved Daughter-in-law. You are not fooling anyone, you are only deceiving yourselves. There are plenty of Scriptures in both the Old & New Testaments that list homosexuality with all other sexual sin. Again, if you disregard them you are only deceiving yourselves.

   Steve Nichols 09.09.09 @ 9:45 am

All Have Sinned and fall short of the glory of God. As Christians we are taught to love unconditionally. But I’ve never been taught to change God’s word (the scripture) and try to cover up my sins. I was not taught to praise someone for their sins. What if half of the world became child molestors?? Would we mk a billboard for that? Would we try and convince everyone that they were born to rape children. Would we try and brainwash the world into thinking that it is ok. Would we lead a hurting world to hell. As christians we shouldnt discriminate. Everyone is welcomed to my church. . But if you are know adulterer, fornicator, child molestor or GAY you are not welcome to be over a ministry, to lead our youth, to teach. You are invited hear the word of God, change, Deny self, Be sincerely Saved and then you can be involved…God Loves You and So Do I.

   Mega 09.09.09 @ 12:56 pm

It is so sad that satan is still able to use God’s own words and twist them to convince people to sin against Him. He who has given His life for us and has paid a dear price for our salvation. God have mercy on us. I pray that every homosexual person reading this truly seek God and research for yourselves what the Bible says instead of looking for the easy way out and listening to what others tell you.

   Bridgette Lozano 09.09.09 @ 3:04 pm

– I wonder how some people can read so much but yet understand so little,,,, You people are really messed up – take this scripture – ‘do what you must do …. Go hang thy self…. And do it quickly ‘ that is the same thing you people are doing twisting it – and the bad part is your billboards will ‘win’ many as they will not read the truth for themselves – I pray you wake up: for each one of them you steal you will answer for – God forgives (and I am so glad of it) that is our only hope , Jesus our hope in glory , how HE loves all, yet hates sin and took on sin for us - Thank you Jesus

   Jim 09.10.09 @ 3:19 pm

To Whom Ever Receives This,

I find it very difficult to follow your reasoning on this matter. You seem to be claiming that the 21st Century makes it okay. Are you saying that God has changed His mind simply because the times have changed? What about Romans 1:18-32. If what you are saying is correct, why did God create a woman instead of another man to be man’s companion. If you would, please explain to me how you know God blesses these same gender relationships. I am open to any Biblical proof that you can provide. I stand with the Word of God and if you can show me through the Word that indeed God blesses these relationships, I will be able to better do my job which is to proclaim the truth of the Word.

Living to Serve Others,

Dennis
Minister of the Gospel

   Dennis 09.10.09 @ 3:25 pm

The Bible, Old Testament and New, has much to say about homosexual acts such as sodomy. The Bible is clear that God has declared such acts to be sin. For instance, God calls the homosexual acts committed by the men of Sodom “very grievous” (Gen. 18:20). He also calls those perverse sexual acts “filthy,” “wicked,” “ungodly,” and “unlawful” (II Peter 2:6-8). In the book of Jude, verse 7, God explains that the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for “fornication” with “strange flesh.” In this, God contrasts homosexual sex acts with sexual relations between one man and one woman in His created, holy institution of marriage where the two become “one flesh” (Gen. 2:24). God has forbidden and cursed all fornication, the joining of human beings as “one flesh” in a sexual union outside of marriage (I Cor. 6:9-11). In I Corinthians 6:15-20, He condemns the sexual acts men commit with women prostitutes because the two become “one flesh” outside of marriage. Homosexual acts are especially evil in that they are “fornication . . . [with] strange flesh.”

You are perverting the word of God with your billboards. Please see the above as proof that the Bible is very clear on homosexual behavior (not lifestyle - behavior). I am trying to bring myself to pray for your ignorance. It is very difficult because ignorance is a lack of knowledge and obviously you have only read certain passages in the bible to back your OPINION that God and Jesus are okay with homosexual behavior. I will work on myself to pray for you but I despise your behavior and I will make ever effort to stand against you forcing your agenda on this country and now forcing this on christianity you will have much to answer when asked in the afterlife.

   Loyd 09.10.09 @ 11:16 pm

We all must pray asking the Lord to show us HIS Truth then open the Bible and read for ourselves the scriptures knowing that HE has promised that if we “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths.” (Proverbs 3:5-6)

It breaks my heart to think back to when I attended a service and a class at a Metropolitan Community Church. After the service while talking to a member there, we were discussing a scripture and I asked him to show me the reference he was using in the Bible. Neither he nor anyone around had a Bible with them and we could not find one in the church (including the church book store).

My prayer continues to be that each person will NOT just listen to what is said regarding what the Bible says but search the scriptures for themselves. Jesus said in John 8:31-32 “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

   Sandra 09.10.09 @ 11:33 pm

Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law of Jesus,
Romans chapter 1, God is an abomination to homosexuality.
Jesus did not Regeitados anyone, but wants everyone to repent of their sins and be saved.
The homosexuality occurs because of a demon, Jezebel, Brazil has the name Maria Padilha,
reverses the precepts of God, to humble to God for his creation, that is us.
Because we are the image and likeness of God.
Satan is already condemned and does everything to distort the Bible and the commandments of God.
For people to go to hell.

   Jose Paulo 09.11.09 @ 2:36 pm

In reading the passage about the city of Sodom and Gomorrah, I found it to be more about the city being destroyed because of the thought and intents of their hearts….total wickedness. The nature and intentions of all who lived there were only evil. The angels were sent to find those, if it would be enough, that weren’t corrupt. Since there weren’t enough to save the city, they let those who weren’t corrupt out of the city and the city was destroyed. I don’t feel it had anything to do with only being men or women as was expressed in your article, and that the participants would have been herterosexual as well as homosexual. That shows a definate fact that sexual preferrence had no play in the destruction, but the evil nature they had. The story of wanting the “strangers” was just to show how evil the thoughts and thier intents were.

Just some thoughts from one individual. I hope to hear your thoughts concerning my view.

   Don 09.12.09 @ 1:01 pm

There is a fundamental question that people have stopped asking, “Is homosexuality biological?” Since scripture indicates clearly that homosexuality is a sexual sin no worse than other types of fornication, but not God’s way, it is easy to conclude that He would not “create” someone “gay.” I actually hate the labels (gay, homosexual, etc.) because they indicate identity, when homosexuality is actually a tendency or temptation that individuals can choose to fuel or cool…Of course there are so many childhood factors that make someone more likely to struggle with same-sex attraction. The pattern I have seen has to do with family roles, beginning with parental relationships and siblings. For example, if a boy is rejected by his brother, he may look to his sisters for acceptance and develop more feminine interests and characteristics in order to be accepted and included. I truly believe homosexuality is about acceptance and trying to find it somehow. If a person has been rejected in a fundamental relationship, they turn to homosexuality as a way to explain this rejection, with a hope of finding acceptance another way. Sexual abuse can foster homosexuality. Pre-marital sex that has been unfullfilling, abusive or created “used” feelings can lead to homosexuality. Lust and feeding lust is a huge open door for men. Positive same-sex encounters in youth where one felt included where “heterosexual” encounters produced rejection also can lead to the conclusion one is “gay.” Instead of looking to address the pain and rejection and individual has experienced, as well as addressing confusing positive circumstances of same-sex attraction or relationships, or abuse, the “homosexual” label seems to be the world’s way of slapping on an “I’m ok, you’re ok,” answer. I hate the way the devil attacks people’s sense of self through homosexuality. It is a crime against their identity! And they are just supposed to accept it, go with their same-sex attraction, and never dig any deeper into what caused it. What a messed up world we live in when even people who call themselves Christians prefer the easy “homosexual” label to walking side by side with someone who is genuinely going through hell. Sin hurts people. That is why God hates it. I would never tell someone “it’s ok to be gay.” It is no different than telling a cutter, “It’s ok to cut yourself,” or a suicidal person, “It’s ok to kill yourself.”

So, if you are a person who is identifying with what I am writing and are interested in the “way out” that the Bible promises to anyone who is tempted to sin, including homosexual sin, the way out is not the easy way, but ultimately, you will find healing, grace, and a totally new life with God. You must be willing to give up every false belief that led you to believe you are or might be gay, but the good news is, the truth is so beautiful and bright. Find a church or a group of people who help people who have struggled with this issue to find acceptance and love. Only with God’s healing acceptance, grace, and truth, will you truly be able to attack the rest of it. “Homosexuality” is not the problem. It’s the other junk that led you to this place. Once you are free from that, your identity will begin to find a healed place with God. The devil might attack, but you will have the real Word to fight with and family to back you up. If you are serious about turning from homosexuality, check out: http://exodus.to (Exodus International if the link doesn’t work and you need to google.) They have “freedom conferences,” and it is pretty awesome. God bless and keep you - and good for you for seeking the real truth rather than what is easy to hear. No matter what you choose to do, He loves you and will always seek to draw you close to Him and away from the things that would hurt you.

   Mary Joy 09.20.09 @ 11:23 pm

I hope all Christians can respond in love to this. It is understandable that those who practice the gay and lesbian lifestyle want to believe it is okay because it is a driving force inside them. Because of this it must come from God. As I read through some of the information in the site there were serveral good comments on how scripture has been used out of context to support things like slavery. Sexual sin such as lust and adultery as well as homoseuality is clearly pointed out in scripture. As a man that struggles with lust I could give in and say this is inside of me so it must be from God. My Struggle with lust is no different than a person’s stuggle with homosexuality. I want to take you back to the fall of man. When Adam and Eve chose their own way instead of God’s way. Read Romans so you can understand that this act did not only allow sin to enter the world but it affected every aspect of creation. It started a decay in creation that won’t be corrected until Christ comes back. Part of this decay is what is described in Romans 1. Men and womenstraying from their natural affections and being given over to a rebrobate mind which basically means accepting it as natural. The same applys to lust, stealing, lying or coveting. We can fight it or give into it. To have the urge to fall into the homosexual lyfestyle does not mean that you are broken anymore than me having the urge to follow my lusts. It is simply the result of sin and that is why we require a Christ’s death on the cross. Our enemy is slick he convinces us that it is okay or natural.If you feel it it must be God given. He is constantly whispering lies to us. We must seek truth at any cost. I will pray that God will give those who sponsor this website truth even though we live in a world of lies. And by the way we welcome all sinners to our church, First Baptist church of Hurst Texas

   Glenn 09.29.09 @ 10:40 am

The real question is, why doesn’t a gay man like vagina? Why doesn’t a lesbian like a penis? If you can’t put 2 and 2 together, then man, you’ve been slighted in the intellectual department. Sounds to me that if an urge can’t find justification in Scripture and can’t find peace in the real world, give up. I want to have sex with most women I meet. Do I? Should I? Red blooded men across the globe would confess, strongly, that we would. I bet the rest of the world would disagree. Consensual? Okay. What if the red blooded women we met consented to have sex with us anywhere? IN the street, in cars, etc. God does not say where we must have sex. So consensual to you then, the public? Okay, well suppose we meet and just go home to do our deeds, is it okay then? Well no. Guess who is still watching? My urges for illicit sex are not justified no matter how the urge incites me, nor where the urge may meet me. Maybe gays, lesbians, tg’s, etc, need to admit that your flesh need not be the boss of you. Oh, and I could give you SOOOOOO much Scripture. Sooooo much that we’d have to dance around before we’d grow weary of reading and listening and eventually want to just eat and go to sleep. So what do we do? I sin, I repent. I do so almost daily. If I don’t, who are you to judge? There’s my defensive side. What’s yours? This post is concerned with your heart, not your reproductive member. (2 Cor 13:5)

   Bill 10.01.09 @ 9:52 pm

Yes, Jesus does discriminate. Thats why there is a heaven and a hell.

Please read the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to live in you and then ask Him what is right and wrong.

   J 10.27.09 @ 9:15 am

If I can love my children no matter what they do, then surely God can do the same. However there are many times that I do not like what they do, even though it does not change my love for them. I believe God cries when we do the things he does not like just as I do. My 2 oldest children (now 26 and 25) have identified as homosexual. There is nothing that they can do to change the fact that I love them, but I don’t have to like what they do. I have cried many tears over my childrens’ choice, I believe God cries too. I will never believe that they were born that way or that God made them that way. I pray every day that God will show them that while He continues to love them, He does not like what they do. I pray every day that God will keep them safe from harm, even though they are harming themselves. The pain I feel over my wonderful children is something that you cannot even imagine and yet you continue to give life to the lie that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. If that is true, then why does it hurt so much?

   Becky 11.09.09 @ 6:07 pm

Does Jesus discriminate? Wrong question. Is homosexuality truly a legitimate form of God’s design? Better question. That being said, the church has along way to go in truly understanding how to minister to gay folks. They were not born that way, BUT it’s really not as much of a choice as many Christians would like to think. Is it a choice for a 5 year old boy to be utilized as a sex object by a male? Is the ensuing gender confusion that childs choice? When the boy begins to identify with girls more than boys, who is there to guide him back to his masculine identity? Most people look the other way and whisper to each other “I wonder if that kid is going to be…” They ghrow up mocked and teased by other kids and by the time they are adults they move to a place where they can find support for thier identity. Many gays at some point have desperately prayed for God to take away their gay desires. If they seek help in the church there is probably 1 out of every 10,000 preachers who really know how to love them through to Jesus deliverance. It’s time for churches to become more like doctors. They don’t faint at the sight of blood. We need to stop fainting at the sight of sin and start operating in the radicle love and acceptance of Jesus.

   Mark 01.02.10 @ 12:46 pm

i am a lesbian and for me its really hard when i live with a family and have many friend that are christian they all say that it is against gods wishes like many of you are saying but i believe that if it god didnt want me to be this way then why would he make me this way i love god with all my heart but of course people around tell me that im going to end up in hell and it scares me for i cant just go straight im born this way its just like a straight women or man cant go gay how can we gays correct our so called “sin” when we cant change who we are who we like and or sexuality how can we do so when we cant just wake up one day and say hey im going to go straight we cant do that because that is not possible because even if we wanted to which would probably make things alot easier we cant because we would end up lying to ourselves telling ourselves we like the oppisite sex when we dont and lying is a sin to i dont think that homosexuality is a sin because if it was then why would god have us born this way is it not said that god created us in his image and he knows every detail of our lives even before it happens and if that is so then why would he make us if he knew we would be gay or bi or a lesbian if it is a so called “sin” i know god loves us and i dont think all of us gays are going to end up in hell. yours truly meg i hope you all have a great day

   Meg 05.23.10 @ 8:54 pm

I don’t believe that people who are GLBT will be sent to Hell, just for being GLBT. I believe that no sin is better or worse than another (As the Bible says) I believe if GLBT people DIE in their sins, as with any one else, then they will go to Hell.
I dont believe that it’s right to hate, or be mean to people just because of their sexual orientation. I love people how they are; although none of us are perfect by any means (whether GLBT, Straight, Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Etc.) which just makes it even easier to love others.

The Bible says that every person is born into sin. I believe, from that verse alone, that any of us is capable of being a liar, a thief, a murderer, a homosexual, Etc.

   Shelby Abel. 06.11.10 @ 10:17 pm

I had to laugh when I read the interpretations and twisting of clear and blatant scriptures. Whenever somebody else has to come along and interpret anything for you, you are looking at a cult.

   Hero2010 07.05.10 @ 12:15 pm

I think Jesus said not to be gay because he knew that a gay person would be persecuted by the same type of ignorant, hateful, sinful, judgemental, discriminate, and misinformed people who persecuted him and put him to death on the cross.

Jesus knew that God exists in every single one of us and so to discriminate a person is to discriminate God. Hate and Judgement separates, love brings together.

   Hannah 09.04.10 @ 5:05 pm

I would like to thank you for your openness to conversation and pursuit of truth. I also feel like an apology is in line for the lack of Christian love some of these posters have shown in responding to your interpretations of scripture.

As a youth pastor I deal with plenty of teenagers who are attracted to the same sex. My humble experience has showed me a few commonalities that makes me question the legitimacy of homosexuality as a spiritual lifestyle. I find it interesting that with each teenager that I have counseled, the same-sex parent has been distant or absent, while the opposite-sex parent has been grossly over protective. Such commonalities make me think that same-sex attraction is a psychological mechanism some use at an early age to counter a painful adolescence. If this is so, then rather than accepting homosexuality as a legitimate expression of Christian spirituality, I believe ministers should seek to lead people attracted to the same sex to healing.

At the same time, I have to recognize that the reason this is such a huge issue is that historically the church has done a terrible job addressing the needs of those sitting in their congregation who are attracted to the same sex (as evidenced in some postings above).

So what if the roman centurion of Matthew 8 5-13 was homosexual (I don’t think he is, your interpretation fails to explore one particular option: that the slave was indeed a dear friend of his). The fact that he healed him wouldn’t celebrate homosexuality. The fact that he applauds his faith doesn’t mean he’s applauding his whole lifestyle, just his faith. Jesus reached out to prostitutes without promoting prostitution. Jesus reached out to tax collectors who stole from the poor, but he doesn’t promote stealing.

As I address same-sex attraction in my ministry, I use a few rules:
1) My sins are arrogance, quick temper and others. Theirs is homosexuality. Are they any worse sinners than I? Absolutely not.
2) Some terrible experience in their life has allowed them to settle for less than God’s best. There is a life of abundant joy that God has in store for each one of us as we shed our sin and choose to be led by the Holy Spirit instead of our own desires.
3) There are plenty of examples of people who have been attracted to the same sex but chose, in obedience to the Holy Spirit, to live a heterosexual life and thereby experience the abundant life God promised.

   Aaron 10.01.10 @ 3:39 pm

Hi Aaron,

Thanks for the caring timbre of your comment. Youth ministry is a challenging call and one that, at the moment, is especially needed. Too many of our LGBT children are suffering at the hands of young people who are less-kind and believe it’s ok to harm us.

I wanted to offer a comment on your rules - as I expect they are rules in regards to how you respond to young people.

1) The challenge we who are gay struggle with in regards to calling homosexual-ity a sin is that to BE homosexual is far more than homosexual sexual acts. None of the other sins you mentioned are a state of being, so much as a way you might treat someone or act. BEING homosexual is not just about acts, but about an identity - an identity we have to come to understand is created by God, for we are created by God.

2) your second rule presumes that a homosexual relationship is less than God’s best, but, for many of us, coming to terms with who we are frees us to nurture and engage in healthy, whole, and honest relationships. It’s hard to imagine that health, wholeness and honesty are less than God’s best.

3) I am excited that you’ve found “plenty of examples” of those who come to an understanding of themselves that does not include homosexuality. However, I lift up to you again that attraction is but a part of what it means to be a homosexual person.

The unfortunate result of tying homosexual, to same-gender sex, to the Biblical references to sex acts as part of a heteronormative society is that we, as people, are reduced to either the collection of sex acts we are presumed to do, or to a sinful being. Nobody likes to be reduced to a sinful being - no matter that, in Christian understanding, we are all victims and instigators of sin, nor do any of us like to be reduced to the collection of sexual acts we engage in, regardless of sexual orientation.

Be careful, please, Aaron…you hold our children in your hands. There is not one answer for the whole of humanity on any other aspect of life. Take care before you presume that one perspective on sexuality is the only Godly thing that could be applied to human beings everywhere. You do not have to understand to respect, and you do not have to approve in order to remain welcoming.

Last thing - your observation about parentage of the questioning youth in your ministry is interesting. However, I - a lesbian woman - had a very caring same-gender mother, and a distant other-gendered father. Both were very concerned with my safety and knew at a very early age that I was different. Their concern about my safety was not about who I was, but about what other children would do to me because of who I was.

When you make room for God to act in situations you’ve never experienced before, you make room for a God that is, truly, much bigger than either of us could possibly imagine. That sounds more like “God” to me.

Blessings,
-Mel

Rev. Elect Melanie “Mel” Martinez
Director, MCC Online Ministries

   admin 10.01.10 @ 4:03 pm

First I would like to say that I do not believe that homosexuals who are saved will go to hell. We will all die with unrepented sin, whether it be in word or deed. The blood of Christ is either strong enough or it’s not. I choose to believe it is. This does not in any way mean that I think that homosexuality is not a sin, because I truly do. I , at one time had the spirit of homosexuality on my life. When the Lord showed me the root cause, which was trauma from my childhood, and how my sexual identity had been molded by circumstances which I had no control over, I denounced that sin. Just as I did my alcoholism, and drug addiction, and many other besetting sins. I recieved the deliverance from The Lord. Again I say I don’t believe that you will go to hell, but I do believe that you live below your true Kingdom potential, and do not recieve the fullness of joy that comes with deliverance. As far as the body of Christ acceting this behavior, as in a local body of believers, I think that the Apostle Paul was very clear on that. If one continues in their sin and won’t repent and denounce that sin they should be put out. When I was drunk for 25 years had I come into The meeting every week drunk, I probably would have been ask not to come back until I was sober. At least that is what I hope would have happened. God is not a respecter of persons and what He has done in my life He is well able to do in anyones life. God Bless you.

   Lea Nunnaley 10.08.10 @ 3:06 pm

I think the unfortunate aspect of this whole thing is not about discrimination but more so about sin. Homosexuality is a sin. We here on earth have the worldly influence of blaming others or environments, or past experiences for our sinful nature. Sin is sin, there are no conditions for it. The Word of God does not provide leniency for homosexuality if you’re born a certain way or not. Perhaps homosexuality is completely genetic, well things like alcoholism are too, but does that excuse the sin? Of course not. Those engaging in homosexual lives are in the same need of a redeeming Savior as any heterosexual. We’re all sinners! But what sets us apart is repending of that sin, seeking forgiveness, and a willingness to change and be more like Him! May God speak to all our hearts and set us in His ways, may we not make excuses for our sins and not treat others with contempt while we all carry planks in our own eyes.

In His love,
Cam

   cameron 10.12.10 @ 10:21 am

ITS ADAM AND EVE NOT GEORGE AND STEVE. YOUR ALL GOING TO BURN

   q 12.14.10 @ 5:09 am

Can someone help me understand if homosexuality is a sin, and being in a oving relationship with a person of the same sex is against god, then how is this fair. Popular to contrary belief, I was born gay, I was born attracted to men. No matter how hard I try to be attracted to women, I just can’t be. So are gays/lesbians suppose to not fall in love. Well how is this fair? why would god allow one group of people to share love and say the other group is sinful? People who say homosexuality is a sin love to compare it to stealing and lying and other things like that. But man isn’t born a liar or a thief, these are things that are learned. Every other sin in the bible(stealing,lying,worshiping many gods,etc) you can turn on and off, you can choose not to do those things. The bottom line is that to say homosexuality is a sin means you can automatically stop being this way and turn straight. This is simply not true.

   Josh 12.27.10 @ 3:42 pm

The Bible was written to be interpreted by man not to be taken literally. Did you Choose to be straight? Did you choose to be the color you are? The bible says many things about sin. Let me say this, in the bible it is an abomination for someone to commit adultery. It says that any offender of this sin should be stoned to death. Do we really take that literally? No we don’t..

If no sin is greater then another then why aren’t there more protesters for ‘lust’,'adultery’,'murder’,or ’sin’ in general?

We all live a life of sin, it’s not that we want to but it is what it is. I was born ‘different’ as some may say. You all were born ‘normal’? What is ‘normal’? Who is to say I am not ‘normal’ and straight people aren’t?

Many Christians or believers stand around with their well put together signs, saying gays are an abomination and should be put to death. The bible is a book that has my highest respect. Yes it says that “If a man Lies with another man as he does with a woman, he should be stoned to death”. Now it goes on to say that “If someone commits adultery they should be stoned and put to death as well. Abomination in those Hebrew days meant unclean. News Flash people, they have preachers that come on television and say that they have committed adultery…Should we put them to death? Of course not. The original bible was written in the Hebrew Language, the bible has been revised thousands of times. How do we know that everything that was analyzed and revised was written the way God wanted it to be. At the end of the original bible, the last page in fact, it simply states do not take away or add to this book.

“people are not born gay or lesbian, its a choice” sound familiar? I’m sure it does. Now with that said. Why would people choose to be different, looked down on, committing suicide because of the hard life they lead. If people say that there is no way God would allow someone to be born gay or lesbian, I asked them in return, “why would God allow some people to be born with both sexes? Why would God allow some kids to be born without arms, or without legs? Why would God allow some children to be born with Cancer and waiting their turn to be treated at Saint Judes? Why would God allow me to have always known that I was different since the age of 5? There are no legitimate answers, but I have a pretty good theory that came to me during prayer, and my talks with my maker, God.

Lets take this into consideration A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION: If you are a straight woman, lets just say that the normal relationship was the complete opposite. Lets say that heterosexuality(straight) actually meant same sex couples, But from a very early age, you noticed yourself noticing boys. The norm now hypotheticly is that you should grow up and marry a woman since you are a woman. Lets call your neighbor John. You find John extremely cute, sweet, and you have an instant connection with him. He makes you laugh and you just have fun with John. You two grow up, you still look at john the way you did when you were five. If your parents new about this they would disown you. You keep it hidden, and go on to marry a woman, because that is what you are supposed to do, not what your heart wants you to do. Would you have had control over your feelings for John? would you allow other people to determine your happiness?, or would you go with what makes you happy regardless of what others say to you?

Maybe its time you looked deeper inside yourself, what if? what if you have been wrong this whole time? What if you caused someone who was gay or lesbian to take their own life, because of things you may have said. I advise you to watch the movie PRAYERS FOR BOBBY. This young man threw himself off of a bridge into oncomming traffic and he died. Why did he do this? because his mother said that she would not have a gay son. She tried setting him up on dates with girls, but its not fair to those girls, to be caught up in a marriage with a man who can not give himself to her completely. He actually thought something was wrong with him when he was growing up. He was raised in a christian home. What if one day your child comes home and says mom, dad Im gay. That just might be another test from your savior, watch the words you say. God Bless you, God Bless those who have taken their own life because of the words, and ignorance of others. Why would you be so mad about gay people, and not so mad about people within your own family committing adultery, lying, cheating, maybe even killing. Karma is a very real thing.

May GOD be with you all. I know he’s with me

   Alisha 12.30.10 @ 3:29 am

Jesus Christ loves the adulteress.

Jesus Christ hated her adultery.

Jesus Christ loves the sinner.

Jesus Christ hates the sin.

   Chris 12.31.10 @ 5:14 pm



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