Comments for Would Jesus Discriminate

Comment on Facing Change: Gay Clergy, Same-Gender Blessings, and the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act by Hendrik Prinsloo

Hendrik Prinsloo — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:43:19 +0000

Good day.

It’s the firts time I came across a christian website which I actually like. I’m a gay guy from South Africa, and our churches are still very conservative. Needless to say I do not attend church anymore. I hope that in the near future we’ll see something similiar to what you are doing in South Africa. Believe me I will definitely be a part of the campaign.

Ps: thanks for your website. And whats with Fred Phelps?

Best wishes: Hendrik Prinsloo

Comment on Disagree? by Becky

Becky — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:07:43 +0000

If I can love my children no matter what they do, then surely God can do the same. However there are many times that I do not like what they do, even though it does not change my love for them. I believe God cries when we do the things he does not like just as I do. My 2 oldest children (now 26 and 25) have identified as homosexual. There is nothing that they can do to change the fact that I love them, but I don’t have to like what they do. I have cried many tears over my childrens’ choice, I believe God cries too. I will never believe that they were born that way or that God made them that way. I pray every day that God will show them that while He continues to love them, He does not like what they do. I pray every day that God will keep them safe from harm, even though they are harming themselves. The pain I feel over my wonderful children is something that you cannot even imagine and yet you continue to give life to the lie that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. If that is true, then why does it hurt so much?

Comment on Disagree? by J

Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:15:54 +0000

Yes, Jesus does discriminate. Thats why there is a heaven and a hell.

Please read the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to live in you and then ask Him what is right and wrong.

Comment on Disagree? by Bill

Bill — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:52:34 +0000

The real question is, why doesn’t a gay man like vagina? Why doesn’t a lesbian like a penis? If you can’t put 2 and 2 together, then man, you’ve been slighted in the intellectual department. Sounds to me that if an urge can’t find justification in Scripture and can’t find peace in the real world, give up. I want to have sex with most women I meet. Do I? Should I? Red blooded men across the globe would confess, strongly, that we would. I bet the rest of the world would disagree. Consensual? Okay. What if the red blooded women we met consented to have sex with us anywhere? IN the street, in cars, etc. God does not say where we must have sex. So consensual to you then, the public? Okay, well suppose we meet and just go home to do our deeds, is it okay then? Well no. Guess who is still watching? My urges for illicit sex are not justified no matter how the urge incites me, nor where the urge may meet me. Maybe gays, lesbians, tg’s, etc, need to admit that your flesh need not be the boss of you. Oh, and I could give you SOOOOOO much Scripture. Sooooo much that we’d have to dance around before we’d grow weary of reading and listening and eventually want to just eat and go to sleep. So what do we do? I sin, I repent. I do so almost daily. If I don’t, who are you to judge? There’s my defensive side. What’s yours? This post is concerned with your heart, not your reproductive member. (2 Cor 13:5)

Comment on Disagree? by Glenn

Glenn — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:40:19 +0000

I hope all Christians can respond in love to this. It is understandable that those who practice the gay and lesbian lifestyle want to believe it is okay because it is a driving force inside them. Because of this it must come from God. As I read through some of the information in the site there were serveral good comments on how scripture has been used out of context to support things like slavery. Sexual sin such as lust and adultery as well as homoseuality is clearly pointed out in scripture. As a man that struggles with lust I could give in and say this is inside of me so it must be from God. My Struggle with lust is no different than a person’s stuggle with homosexuality. I want to take you back to the fall of man. When Adam and Eve chose their own way instead of God’s way. Read Romans so you can understand that this act did not only allow sin to enter the world but it affected every aspect of creation. It started a decay in creation that won’t be corrected until Christ comes back. Part of this decay is what is described in Romans 1. Men and womenstraying from their natural affections and being given over to a rebrobate mind which basically means accepting it as natural. The same applys to lust, stealing, lying or coveting. We can fight it or give into it. To have the urge to fall into the homosexual lyfestyle does not mean that you are broken anymore than me having the urge to follow my lusts. It is simply the result of sin and that is why we require a Christ’s death on the cross. Our enemy is slick he convinces us that it is okay or natural.If you feel it it must be God given. He is constantly whispering lies to us. We must seek truth at any cost. I will pray that God will give those who sponsor this website truth even though we live in a world of lies. And by the way we welcome all sinners to our church, First Baptist church of Hurst Texas

Comment on Disagree? by Mary Joy

Mary Joy — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:23:43 +0000

There is a fundamental question that people have stopped asking, “Is homosexuality biological?” Since scripture indicates clearly that homosexuality is a sexual sin no worse than other types of fornication, but not God’s way, it is easy to conclude that He would not “create” someone “gay.” I actually hate the labels (gay, homosexual, etc.) because they indicate identity, when homosexuality is actually a tendency or temptation that individuals can choose to fuel or cool…Of course there are so many childhood factors that make someone more likely to struggle with same-sex attraction. The pattern I have seen has to do with family roles, beginning with parental relationships and siblings. For example, if a boy is rejected by his brother, he may look to his sisters for acceptance and develop more feminine interests and characteristics in order to be accepted and included. I truly believe homosexuality is about acceptance and trying to find it somehow. If a person has been rejected in a fundamental relationship, they turn to homosexuality as a way to explain this rejection, with a hope of finding acceptance another way. Sexual abuse can foster homosexuality. Pre-marital sex that has been unfullfilling, abusive or created “used” feelings can lead to homosexuality. Lust and feeding lust is a huge open door for men. Positive same-sex encounters in youth where one felt included where “heterosexual” encounters produced rejection also can lead to the conclusion one is “gay.” Instead of looking to address the pain and rejection and individual has experienced, as well as addressing confusing positive circumstances of same-sex attraction or relationships, or abuse, the “homosexual” label seems to be the world’s way of slapping on an “I’m ok, you’re ok,” answer. I hate the way the devil attacks people’s sense of self through homosexuality. It is a crime against their identity! And they are just supposed to accept it, go with their same-sex attraction, and never dig any deeper into what caused it. What a messed up world we live in when even people who call themselves Christians prefer the easy “homosexual” label to walking side by side with someone who is genuinely going through hell. Sin hurts people. That is why God hates it. I would never tell someone “it’s ok to be gay.” It is no different than telling a cutter, “It’s ok to cut yourself,” or a suicidal person, “It’s ok to kill yourself.”

So, if you are a person who is identifying with what I am writing and are interested in the “way out” that the Bible promises to anyone who is tempted to sin, including homosexual sin, the way out is not the easy way, but ultimately, you will find healing, grace, and a totally new life with God. You must be willing to give up every false belief that led you to believe you are or might be gay, but the good news is, the truth is so beautiful and bright. Find a church or a group of people who help people who have struggled with this issue to find acceptance and love. Only with God’s healing acceptance, grace, and truth, will you truly be able to attack the rest of it. “Homosexuality” is not the problem. It’s the other junk that led you to this place. Once you are free from that, your identity will begin to find a healed place with God. The devil might attack, but you will have the real Word to fight with and family to back you up. If you are serious about turning from homosexuality, check out: http://exodus.to (Exodus International if the link doesn’t work and you need to google.) They have “freedom conferences,” and it is pretty awesome. God bless and keep you - and good for you for seeking the real truth rather than what is easy to hear. No matter what you choose to do, He loves you and will always seek to draw you close to Him and away from the things that would hurt you.

Comment on DFW, Texas Billboards Launched! by R. Landers

R. Landers — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:17:12 +0000

The writers of the WJD website would benefit from reading the unrelated website http://www.robgagnon.net which counteracts incorrect bible interpretations, and invalid modern secular arguments. Dr Gagnon clearly explains why Jesus and St Paul did NOT approve of any same gender sexual contact of any sort, whether two men or two women have faithful love or not. He clearly co-relates all relevant Scripture with non religious material written at the same time in history. His exegesis is far superior to any revisionist biblical extrapolations.

The New Testament was written at the SAME time in history when the Christian church did know what practices St Paul was referring to, and St Paul knew what practices that Leviticus and others were referring to. Why would some people 2000 years later, think they have better knowledge of what St Paul was referring to, than the early Church did who were THERE when the NT was written, whereas the authors of the WJD site and the books quoted from, were certainly not there.

Regarding the WJD posters, the relationship between the Centurion and his servant is not known, and making presumptions proves nothing. Jesus healed many people because of their FAITH, and some of those would have been in sin of various types. No one infers that healing of anybody else, is also approval of any wrongness they may have had in their lives. Christ gives his healing mercy to bring us into union with him, so we can overcome what is separating us from God.

Regarding conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch, there is NO Scriptural basis anywhere, to say that being born a eunuch is a gift from God, or that God created gay people the way they are – Jesus did NOT say that at all. Also it is irrelevant whether the eunuch was “natural” born or not. His conversion does NOT give support to any of his (previous) actions which cannot be known anyhow, and even if he was in sin of any sort, then his conversion requires FULL repentance and conforming to Christ’s teaching, which was in accordance with Leviticus in the Old Testament. Website http://www.robgagnon.net clearly threads all the OT and NT together.

Comment on DFW, Texas Billboards Launched! by Nikolas

Nikolas — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:24:36 +0000

Hello,
I hope that this finds you well.
I’d like to talk to you for a moment .
I ended up on your website, after hearing about the billboards.
I can’t find your interpetation of scripture anywhere or support it from the texts..
Let’s look at a couple of things.
This life is to short and eternity is too looooong to believe a lie, no matter how much you love someone or how much you want them. Forever is a really long time. You have free will - you can do what ever you want, but don’t kid yourself or anyone else about the outcome.
Homosexuality does not change God.
Sure He Loves you .
It is not about His Love.
It is about Your love for Him, Luke 14:26 “If you want to be my follower you must love me more than your own father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters–yes, more than your own life. Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple.
It takes the transforming power of the Holy Spirit to make us into a new creation and to free us from sin. That same power can give you the strenght to Love Jesus more than anyone or anything.
You can love Him enough that you don’t need to look for loopholes in the Bible ,or a “newer version”, He, God alone can be enough. He can fill the emptiness and the longings of life. He is
El Shaddai - the ALL sufficent one.
This IS a big deal - not because I care who you sleep with, but because You are knitted to- gether by the hand of God in a womb with Loving care by the God that I know and love,too.
If I never meet you that ties us together, How can I not appeal to you to consider this again?

The Bible looses it’s value to support any anything pro - or con if it is altered or misinterpeted.

The definition of the word” bad “was decided along time ago. That word has been used to signify bad ,good, and even exceptional. But it wasn’t the word that changed ,just the people who used it.

You have access to the same references for the Greek and Hebrew texts, commentaries, and Jewish encyclopedias that I have. You are trying to make homosexuality acceptable by interpeting scriptures to suit your need. That is not substantiation, that is self deceit.
Putting up a billboard does not make it the truth.
How do you interpet Romans 1:26 -27
That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. (27)And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.
I know that this is strong language - and this is a modern version.

We can understand why God said don’t steal. That makes sense to us. We can see the initial
harm and realize the potential dangers and long term consequences..
Just because we have arguments for theft, or feel an need to steal that doesn’t negate the word of God or the hardships and heartaches that can come into your life if you - do it anyway. Everything isn’t that easily understood for us humans, but that doesn’t mean that God doesn’t know what He is talking about.
God gave us a huge Earth with plants and animals and colors and flavors and smells ,He didn’t have to make it so beautiful, with so many wonders. He could of not cared if we enjoyed life, but Jesus said that He came to give us Life and Life more abundant, and that is on top of all of creation. It does not seem to be the habit of God to keep from us anything that is good for us.
It is Just not His “M.O”. Ask Eve if the fruit was worth it . What would she say?
He has always given us instructions to protect us -mostly from ourselves.
What ever you decide ,
best wishes,
Nikkolas

Comment on DFW, Texas Billboards Launched! by Clyde

Clyde — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:06:37 +0000

These are great! For every piece of hate mail you see, you have twice as many scared gay folks who smile and wait for a day they don’t have to reconcile their identity and their faith.

Comment on DFW, Texas Billboards Launched! by Angela

Angela — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:55:47 +0000

I would just like to say that I completely support what you are doing
in Texas. As someone who was born and raised in Texas and lived in
many other places to experience differences in cultures, I think that
the campaign you are running is great and a marvelous idea. Exactly
what Texas needs: a little dose of truth to some wayward-thinkers that
live there. I wish you the best of luck and hope that you stay strong
and not back down from this, no matter what others do or say.

Angela